Missing Pieces Episode 68 Archive

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(Introduction to show begins)

TODD MATTHEWS (Missing Pieces Host): I’m Todd Matthews. This is Missing Pieces and tonight we have Krista Dolby.

How are you doing, Krista?

KRISTA DOLBY (Guest): I’m doing all right. How are you?

TODD: I’m doing really good. Now, where are you at? Where are you located?

KRISTA: I’m located in Reno, Nevada, right now, but I’m originally from Eugene, Oregon.

TODD: Okay. You’re here because you’re the daughter of missing Roy Loren Stephens.

KRISTA: Yes.

TODD: Okay. Roy was last seen in the evening hours in the vicinity of Highway 58, in Crescent, Oregon. His gray, 1991 Ford Taurus wagon was later located on November 25, 2005, at the Waldo Lake access road of off Highway 58. And you and I have not spoken before so this is all going to be real new to me too, so it’s going to be kind of interesting. Can you tell me what happened?

KRISTA: Actually I wasn’t informed, because I had relocated to Reno, Nevada, I wasn’t informed that my Dad had went missing until almost 2 weeks after his disappearance. But from what I understand from speaking to my Mom and the investigators is, on November 16, 2005, my Dad had left his work from picking up his paycheck and had called to see if my Mom wanted to go have dinner and drinks at the local tavern in Crescent City. My Mom wasn’t feeling well and so she declined and he went ahead and went out and met up with his friends at the bar, and he’d been there a couple of hours since about 5 or 6 o’clock at night, he called her at approximately 11 o’clock that night just to tell her that he loved her and that he was on his way home. That was the last time that she spoke with him. She waited for him to come home for 2 days and reported him missing on the 18th of November, 2005, and there have been no sightings or reports of him. It’s like he just dropped off the face of the earth. On Thanksgiving Day of that year, 2005, hikers who were hiking up…because in Crescent City, that’s like a local ski resort community, people there travel, take vacations and ski, they had some hikers that were hiking up Waldo Lake Road, and they found the car, and it looked apparently suspicious so they had called it in saying that the car was abandoned. So the police came out to do the investigation and they connected it to my Dad, and they notified my Mom.

TODD: How far is that away from where he lived?

KRISTA: About 15 minutes from where he lived, so I would say it’s about 10 or 15 miles, it’s not too far outside of his home.

TODD: So, it’s an area that he would have been familiar with, then?

KRISTA: Yeah, very familiar.

TODD: Okay.

KRISTA: My Dad is a native Oregonian so he was very familiar with that area. He had lived in Oakridge, he lived in Crescent City and he actually worked at both of the ski resort lodges that they have in Klamath Falls, at the Willamette Pass, he worked there as a chef, and at the time of his disappearance he was a chef at Odell Lake Lodge.

TODD: Okay, when he didn’t come home, what was the first thing that your mother did? I mean, was this something…did it happen before?

KRISTA: No, he always came home, sometimes he would be a little bit later and he would call and say that he was on his way and he’d come a few hours later, but he’d never been overnight, or definitely never over a 24-hour period. So my Mom was getting pretty concerned and she and my brother had searched the area trying to find him. Needless to say, she was really ill, she had just had triple-bypass surgery so she didn’t have a lot of energy or resources. They only had one car to search for him, and they asked neighbors and friends and called them, and nobody had seen him since that night of November 16, 2005. They said that he had left the tavern and was going to stop by a friend’s house before he went home. The oddest thing is, the friend’s house that he was going to see was completely in the opposite direction that he was going.

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: For him to have gone 10 miles outside of his home area is completely suspicious, and apparently the two men that he was going to visit, there had been some sort of conflict between him and the two of them, and so I don’t really know. The community is very tight-knit and very closed-mouth, and there is a lot of speculation that he was with those two men and they were the last people that have seen him.

TODD: I wonder about that area at this time of the year, what would the weather be like there at this time of year?

KRISTA: Normally in Eugene and Springfield it’s raining and cold, but because that’s a skiing community it does get a lot of snow, and so at the time of his disappearance, there was no snow, and then the day that his car was found, they had a huge blizzard so it made it really difficult for people to travel and walk up the road where the car was found, so it’s kind of odd that the hikers were able to access where his car was found. Apparently they were just hiking and they walked up on this car and his wallet and stuff were on the passenger seat.

TODD: And I have to ask about this Waldo Lake access road, so that is really near the lake, then?

KRISTA: It really is, yes.

TODD: Okay. Hmm. So what did your mother do when this went beyond the limit? He’s not coming home.

KRISTA: Well, she made a police report on November 18, 2005. The police came and did an inquiry and asked questions about any complications in their marriage, and if they were happy, and if there had ever been any kind of conflict that resulting in him leaving, or if it was possible that he was romantically involved with somebody else.

TODD: That’s kind of the normal questions.

KRISTA: Yeah, pretty standard, and my Dad is a very faithful man and very family-oriented, so for him to have engaged in some kind of activity like that would be completely outside of his character. And so they’d done the inquiry and I guess they followed up with questioning his local friends, which were business leaders in the community, like the tavern owner, and the Odell Lake Lodge, the owner and supervisor there, the friends, and everybody was pretty closed-mouth. But what I do know about that community is that there is a lot of unspoken criminal activity…

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: …that happens and the community kind of keeps secret, you know, little-town secrets.

TODD: Well I have to wonder, what about others? Is he the only one that went missing there?

KRISTA: From what I understand, he is the only one that went missing, but about three months after he went missing, one of their major businesses, I think it was the Post Office, I believe, was arsoned. Somebody had set it on fire deliberately, so they do have some level of crime there. I don’t know. I guess I could just speculate, but there have never been any reports of people being missing, in fact, the only other time that I know, anyone who went missing in the community such as that was that Asian gentleman, Kim, and his family…

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: …about a month after my Dad went missing and they had this huge investigation to find him. When they searched for my Dad, they only proceeded with a 4-hour search.

TODD: Why would that be, do you think?

KRISTA: Well, honestly, I think it’s because my Dad has had his challenges in his life, and they did not see him as a community leader, so to speak, and maybe didn’t necessarily see him as a priority. But what I want people to know now that I have the opportunity to speak for him, is that he is very important to people and he is loved and missed greatly.

TODD: Well he’s important to his family and his friends, and that’s the most important thing.

KRISTA: Exactly. And he’s so family-oriented and for my Mom to be as sick as she was, she was raising my niece because my sister was going through some really rough times and he was helping raise my niece and he knew how sick my Mom was so he would never have walked away from her.

TODD: How is your mother now?

KRISTA: She is very ill. She actually had in August of 2005, she had triple-bypass surgery, and it was touch and go for a long time, and she was just barely in the early stages of recovery when he went missing. She almost died right after.

TODD: Well I’ve had heart-valve surgery and I know that it can take a long time to recover from that.

KRISTA: Yeah, and she has late-stage diabetes, and she’s just not well, and so for him to have abandoned her, and knowing that there would have been no one there to take care of his granddaughter, it’s so completely outside of his character, regardless of what recreational stuff he chose to do, he would never have left his family in that situation.

TODD: And we’ll try to get that out now because, obviously, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here a little bit, to get that out in the open.

KRISTA: Sure.

TODD: Do you think maybe the pressure was so great at home that he couldn’t take it anymore?

KRISTA: You know that has been something that I’ve kind of tossed back and forth in my mind, and I suppose that there is a very slight chance that he did walk away. I mean, I guess that’s true for anybody that disappears, that life stress is too much that they walk away or take matters into their own hands.

TODD: Well everybody’s got a breaking point no matter what that breaking point might be or how you react to it to that, you know not that that’s the case.

KRISTA: Right. And I would see that my father would be more of the type that he would wait until she, if my Mom did die, that he probably would have waited to do something like that until after she had died, and he had secured something else for his granddaughter.

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: I don’t think that he would have just up and left. It just doesn’t fit. He had a really rough life and he’s not the walking away type, he’s just not.

TODD: Does your Mom have any theories?

KRISTA: Well we both have theories, in fact.

TODD: And you don’t have to talk about the ones you don’t want to, just what you do want to talk about. This is for you.

KRISTA: Well as far as I’m concerned, it’s an open book, because my Dad has struggled in his life and it’s not anything that I can personally deny, it’s part of who he is and part of his lifestyle has made him who he is so to deny that he engaged in recreational drug use and well probably in the line of abuse, and that he was involved with some pretty questionable people. And I know, just by being raised by him, that some of the people that he was involved with lacked a lot of moral character.

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: So desperate times call for desperate measures, so I personally would not see it as impossible that someone would take matters into their own hands if they felt like they were done wrong.

TODD: Well, you have to think financially, was he strapped financially because of your mother’s illness and maybe got in over his head with the drugs?

KRISTA: Well, yeah, that definitely is true but he’s always been strapped financially, but for whatever reason, he’s a diehard worker so he would have just went out and got a second job to support his habit or his family and to cover the expenses. That’s just how he is and I would understand that the financial ramifications for him would be overwhelming but he always did the best that he could.

TODD: What about the situation with your niece, is that better for her now?

KRISTA: After my Dad disappeared, her Mom came back and knowing that she needed her Mom now, and my Mom was not able to take care of her the way she needed and so my sister is now raising her and she has relocated. Nobody in my family actually lives in Crescent any longer. The memories were too much and when my Mom would go shopping at the local convenience store, she was always fearful that people were keeping secrets from her, and it was really hard for her to have them look her in the eye and not say anything.

TODD: Well it makes you paranoid. You know I hear a lot of people that are describing paranoid feelings without being paranoid, but it is, and you’re wondering, “What does everybody know that I don’t know?”

KRISTA: Yes. Yes. When my husband and I had gone down there to participate in the search and rescue effort, we basically got closed doors in our face. I came all the way from Nevada, it’s about a 4 to 6-hour trip to Crescent from Nevada, and we had tried to rally a community search and rescue effort, and we were told by local law enforcement that we would not be able to go up the mountain because it wasn’t safe. But the local community, they have all of those ski machines where you could ride them up the mountain and nobody offered or volunteered to help us do anything. Nothing.

TODD: Was he an unpopular person in town? Or do you think that people just don’t want to get involved?

KRISTA: Honestly I think it’s a community that lives in a lot of fear. There are some pretty powerful people in that community. In fact, my husband and I witnessed that when we were there, you know there are a couple of moneymakers there and for people to stand up and speak for my Dad, if they knew anything, could cause dramatic financial ramifications for a lot of them, and hardships. It’s a very small town, very, very small town. I mean it’s like you could blink and you could pass it.

TODD: So do you think that there is a possibility that your Dad is alive? Now I know you probably went back and forth with this a lot, and we’ll try to look at it from two different directions.

KRISTA: Right. I would say that there is probably a .01% chance that he’s alive. I would find it very hard for him, as family-oriented as he was, and how he felt about his wife and his grandkids, for him to not have any kind of contact with any of them, or his Mom, for 2 years. I mean, it will be 2 years in 3 days.

TODD: That’s a big cutoff point. You know that just chopped completely.

KRISTA: Yes, and for him to do nothing, I would have a very difficult time imaging having him go to rebuild his life somewhere else, under a different identity. I mean I don’t even know that he’s that resourceful to be able to do something like that.

TODD: Well has there been any…I don’t know exactly how you might have checked, any activity anywhere with any of his, maybe his…?

KRISTA: Not that I know of. In fact, the minimal contact that we’ve had with the law enforcement has been very…they haven’t given us a lot of information. We have contacted them and each…because there are apparently three different law enforcements that are involved, there’s Lane County, Klamath County and the Willamette National Forest, and they’re all pushing the case off onto one another. One, because he lived in Klamath County, but his car was found in Lane County, but for all intents and purposes, his car was found in Willamette National Forest, so the last time we spoke to any investigator was about two months ago and we were told that Lane County was sending the case back to Klamath County and that they were going to pursue the investigation and that they were going to send cadaver dogs, which they haven’t done at all. They haven’t even sent cadaver dogs, it’s two years since he’s been gone.

TODD: Well even if somebody is deceased, you know, there’s the possibility that a body has been recovered and is unidentified.

KRISTA: Yeah.

TODD: So there you’ve got two other factors.

KRISTA: Exactly, and they didn’t even do any forensic testing of his car. They looked in it for evidence, like his wallet and his paycheck were on the front seat, and apparently the hiker reported that there had been vomit right by the car, but that’s it. Then they arranged for the car to be towed back to my Mom’s house.

TODD: It doesn’t work like on CSI unfortunately.

KRISTA: No. No. No, it certainly doesn’t. It certainly doesn’t, but under a situation like that you would…I mean, such an odd place, 4.2 miles up Waldo Lake Road is such an odd place for a car to be. I don’t know.

TODD: Well with the possibility, as slim as it might be, that your Dad is alive, do you think that he has access to the Internet? Do you think there’s a possibility that he’s watching and seeing how you guys are doing?

KRISTA: Well, if he is alive, he definitely would be trying to tap into any resource he has to see how his family was doing and he would research.

TODD: And he can Google his name and he’ll find your words.

KRISTA: Exactly.

TODD: He’ll find your words tonight because it’s all transcribed as well as being on audio, so he’ll find this page, so on that possibility, why don’t you try to speak to him. Tell him the situation now and what you would like for it to be and maybe the reasons why he might have left, can you explain why he might need to come back.

KRISTA: This is one of those things that I’ve gone back and forth in my mind a million times and just so he knows that there are people that love him and miss him. And you know, his wife is very ill, and it would be very nice if he is alive that he could make some sort of contact with her just to let her know that he’s okay and to give her that peace. I mean he was married to her for such a long time and she’s so much part of his life, and of him recreating his life because he had made so many changes, and I would just beg for him to make some sort of contact, whether it be a postcard or a letter, something, just to let us know that he is okay, and that if he had to walk away, he had to walk away. But it’s so unfair to leave people in limbo, like we are, we’re just so stuck.

TODD: Sometimes you think if you walk away that people are better off without you and, maybe, there are other people, not just your Dad, hopefully there’s somebody out there that might have heard this, whether it be him or not, it might have helped somebody else.

KRISTA: Right.

TODD: So that’s always good to ask that. Now what about, when the police report was made, I think there were probably some difficult times during that, has this ever been entered into the NCIC?

KRISTA: The police report?

TODD: Yeah. The National Crime Information Center, was there ever like a number…?

KRISTA: I don’t know. This is all kind of new to me, I’ve never had to…I’ve had missing people in my family before and had them tap in the resources. My cousin went missing almost five years ago and they found his body three years later, and so for me to call my aunt and to dredge up all of that information would be too traumatic for her, so I’ve really had to rely on this wonderful person who I connected through a support group online, and that’s Nancy Angelbound AMW, and she has been so invaluable to me. I mean, she connected me to you.

TODD: She’s brought a lot of people this way.

KRISTA: Yeah, and this is the most attention my Dad’s story has ever gotten, ever.

TODD: Well, hopefully, it’s just the beginning.

KRISTA: I hope so.

TODD: Well, I’m able to do some research online and just very, very quickly I’ve found that he does have an NCIC number, and we will list it on the site, it’s actually listed on some of the webpages. He was 5’ 6” tall, 145 pounds; gray hair, green eyes, medium complexion. He had a scar in the shape of a ‘C’ on the left side of his head. What about that? What am I looking at?

KRISTA: Well, he had been drunk about six years ago, and somebody hit him over the head with a tire iron and he ended up having surgery.

TODD: So, not only is there brain surgery, if we’re looking at a body, and I know it’s hard to talk about a body, but you’ve stepped forward with this, if he had brain surgery, and the remains are skeletal, there’s going to be some type of indication on this body, on the skull, that’s there’s been brain surgery.

KRISTA: Exactly. Yeah, without a doubt. He’s had…apparently he had a few strokes earlier in the year too, so that’s always a possibility that he had a stroke and was drunk, and that’s where the vomit came from, I mean there’s just so much speculation. So if they came across his remains, I think it would be easily something that they could connect to him, especially if it’s in that vicinity. And I researched all of the missing persons and all of the missing bodies, in Oregon and outside of Oregon just because.

TODD: Now to talk about, and this is a good idea for everybody listening, you know if you have a family member, and we’ve talked about hair sample, fingerprint samples, dental records, all of this stuff, he also has a tattoo of a scorpion on his shoulder, I don’t know if you have a photograph of that scorpion, but people out there, if you do have a family member and you’re a little worried, you know I’ve got a teenaged son, he’s 15 years old and I’m concerned of the possibility, that if he had a tattoo or something, you know it sounds bad but I would want to have a photograph of it just in case, because tattoos are one of the most identifiable factors out there. Do you have an image of the tattoo?

KRISTA: Yeah, I probably do; I’d probably have to look through some old photos, but without a doubt somebody in our family has that tattoo.

TODD: Well, we definitely need to pull that in and put that on. You know as we’re speaking, we’re creating a website for him; it’s a webpage that’s got audio and the written word, we will include this, and I want to put this in where we’re talking about it at this point, we will include a picture of that tattoo.

KRISTA: Oh, I think that’s wonderful because we…I feel like I’ve tapped every resource I can, so it’s so valuable for me to have this opportunity.

TODD: Well the thing about news media, if you pre-package things, just exactly like we’re doing here on the radio tonight, we are pre-producing something that some other outlet can pick up and easily use it, it’s pre-produced, all the data is there.

KRISTA: Right.

TODD: We’ll have photographs, hopefully more photographs of him. Basically, we need all you got. We need different side shots of him, if there is video available, we need to be able to say that video is available. We need to tell everybody what all we have. Do you have dental records?

KRISTA: Well, he has dentures.

TODD: Okay. See, that’s a dental record.

KRISTA: Yes.

TODD: It’s a dental record. Absolutely, and I’m not reading that on the one website that I’m looking on that’s got him listed, and I wouldn’t know for sure.

KRISTA: Right. Right, and I don’t think that they specified. I don’t know.

TODD: Well it would be good, so at least we can say that, that he does have dentures. We’ve learned a lot about him with a simple conversation.

KRISTA: Right.

TODD: I do know of a case where…because you’re not allowed to look at the NCIC report, I know that, they’re not going to let you see that, I know of people that have but most cases they’re not. How do you know that all of the data on NCIC report is accurate?

KRISTA: I don’t know.

TODD: How would you find out?

KRISTA: I don’t know.

TODD: Have you called the detective?

KRISTA: We do. We do. In fact, the last time we called, they said that they send his file to Klamath County. We called Klamath County and they said, “We don’t have no files.”

TODD: So there’s opportunity for regular conversation? And usually that conversation is, “Do you know anything?” “No, if he we find anything, we’ll let you know.” That’s usually the actual conversation, and that family member looks so forward to that phone call because they’re hoping that they’re going to find out something, and then they sit there and wait and wait and wait, you know, they’re living from event to event. Another guest and I spoke about it.

KRISTA: Exactly.

TODD: When can I get a search? When can I get a phone call to law enforcement? When can I check on this? And they keep hoping. And that’s how you live the rest of your life. These phone calls need to be really effective. Ask them, “Pull the NCIC file. I don’t need for you to show it to me, let’s review the data. Can you confirm that my Dad was 5’ 6” tall on your report? Can you confirm that he had gray hair? Can you confirm the fact that he could have had some type of brain surgery, the indication on the skull? Can you confirm that you do know that he has dentures?”

KRISTA: Right.

TODD: There are so many things that you can confirm and you might find, “Oh, we didn’t know that.” There is another case where we actually…a case was resolved when one of the Doe Network members called to verify information on an unidentified body, they were actually told by law enforcement, “Oh yeah, and there’s the tattoo.” “The tattoo?” And when they described the tattoo, she immediately remembered, this was in Texas, she immediately remembered a body here in Tennessee that had that tattoo, because it was unique. Case solved. All the stuff was there, all the data was available, it just wasn’t complete. Do they need a photograph of your father’s tattoo? Probably. Have they asked for it? Probably not.

KRISTA: No.

TODD: But I think we can help with that. We’re going to have a living document here with this webpage and your data. You know it’s not important to me what your Dad has done, if he’s been involved in the criminal element, the fact is he’s missing from his family and you want to recover him, however.

KRISTA: Yes. Yes, however.

TODD: And you know it’s just basically saying, dead or alive, you need him back.

KRISTA: We do.

TODD: So that’s what we need to try and do. It’s not, “Well he might have been in a little bit of trouble, we won’t worry about him,” you know, that’s not the right thing.

KRISTA: No, and unfortunately I think that that’s kind of the message that’s given through the law enforcement, you know how they have perceived it. It’s been two years and the fact that they haven’t sent cadaver dogs, that…

TODD: And that’s a long time because we’re losing time, you know, valuable time. You know he might not be a priority to them, and I don’t know them, I’ve never spoken to them, but those are the things that it’s up to you to push now. You’re going to have to make sure. There is a DNA Database, I’ll get that data to you, it’s in Texas, where you can actually enter DNA to this database so that he can be matched. Will it help right away? Probably not…not if the body hasn’t been found, but it’s there, it’s just like a bank deposit, it’s something you put in there for use in the future. You need to do that and we can show you how to do that.

KRISTA: Now, exactly where would I get DNA?

TODD: Your DNA will match your father’s DNA, just like a paternity test.

KRISTA: Well, that would be true, but he adopted me.

TODD: Okay, then do you have any…his mother?

KRISTA: Yes.

TODD: Okay, so it’s available, and it’s hard to get it any straighter than from your Mom.

KRISTA: Okay.

TODD: So we have that option there. That’s another event that you can look forward to trying to get closed, and I can put you in touch with officials there and we can put that information, once again, it’s in other interviews that we’ve done, we’ll put that here so that people can benefit from that again. So that’s another little step that we can work on. And then there’s…and I can probably help you out with this too, NamUs.gov, this is a new government effort and I’ve been working on it, I’m a panelist on this, it’s a new national missing and unidentified persons project. It’s NamUs.gov and it’s going to be the nation’s first official database of missing and unidentified persons, and that’s in process, it’s going to take of couple of years to get it up and running fully, but that’s a goal, that’s another goal for you to work toward.

KRISTA: Thank you, Todd, that’s amazing.

TODD: And you keep looking at the website, we’ve got the data here with Missing Pieces, NamUs is actually linked here now like NamUs is actually linked to your father’s case because we’re going to work on moving him to that database, there are a lot of steps we have to go through, and you just have to make every step count.

KRISTA: Definitely, and again, my gratitude for everybody, Nancy, and you, and everyone that’s helping me. I’ve had nothing but closed doors in my face for two years, so to have this available is such a blessing.

TODD: See, I don’t know what’s going on there in that town where this is happening. I don’t know the reasons why, but talking to you here, you’re somebody that needs help and I think that we can help you, and I think we can show you how to help yourself, and there are positive ways to do that and I think you’ll learn. You’re in a family that nobody wants to be in, but there are a lot of people here that care.

KRISTA: Exactly, and I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

TODD: And I’ve told Nance before, I like seeing the ones that have had the least attention paid to them, something that really needs that groundwork and effort, and I think this was one of them. It really needed some…

KRISTA: Yeah, I mean they have done literally nothing and I wish I could…I try to understand their position.

TODD: And it can be difficult.

KRISTA: I’m so emotionally attached that it’s hard for me to understand that there was so much snow on the mountain that they couldn’t do the search, but the fact that spring came and went, and nothing, and spring came and went…and nothing.

TODD: Well whatever is happening there, hopefully some of the things that we can do is not working against them, it’s working for them. We’re doing things that possibly they don’t know about some of these opportunities, they might not. You know there’s a good possibility that they don’t know that there are options out there. They might have a theory that they’ve not made you aware of, and maybe for a good reason.

KRISTA: And that’s true, I understand. To me they’re smart and there are questionable characters in that town and the fact that two of the people of my personal interest are MIA, so to speak…

TODD: Uh huh.

KRISTA: …only increases my interest as to why they’re missing. I mean they’ve ‘relocated’.

TODD: Ahh. Okay, and law enforcement, are they aware of that?

KRISTA: Yes, they are.

TODD: It’s been very clearly pointed out to them, so that’s not…?

KRISTA: Yes, law enforcement actually told us that they had relocated. You know I don’t personally know that they’re not saying that they are people of interest to them, but they are people of interest to me because they are the last people to have seen my Dad.

TODD: And finally you’ll take the data, you’ll have the permanent page, you’ll have the permanent link to this website with this information, the only time it would come down is if it’s been resolved, and likely it would just be updated that it’s been resolved. It’ll be here as long as I can make it be here, that’s definitely going to be something there and the idea is that you’ve got to make sure that people see it, hear it, read it.

KRISTA: Exactly.

TODD: It’s got to go.

KRISTA: I’ve been doing some legwork on that, just sending it out to everybody. In fact, in my quest to do so, somebody I know actually has somebody else missing in their family, so she’s going to be contacting you as well.

TODD: You see, the thing is I could do this 24 shows per day, and still never, ever, ever have enough life to ever finish, but you know we try, hopefully people will get something, maybe their case is not profiled, but saw something in another that was similar, and that helps, so we’ll definitely try to get as many people as we can roll through here, I’m hoping. I’m hoping we can get as many people as possible; I hope we run out of people, but I don’t think we will.

KRISTA: It’s good that you have that available, for me, it’s been valuable. It’s invaluable to me.

TODD: Well we’ll just have to work the data. We need to get it out there and get it rolling. So our checklist is: we need photographs of him, we need photographs of the tattoo, and we’ll work it from there.

KRISTA: Okay, photographs, videos…

TODD: Yeah. Whatever you’ve got available, you need to have your arsenal ready. The first thing you need to do in something like this is gather your data. Gather your data, and think about the possibility of gathering DNA, and the DNA kits come where you actually get a swab, and you’ve got to think, “Now how am I going to get this swab and get it back to her?” Law enforcement has to play a part in this, but they can hardly refuse, when you’ve actually called and set this up, so I don’t think that they’re going to refuse it.

KRISTA: Okay.

TODD: Because that’s going to be something that we can do, we’ve done something now.

KRISTA: You have to do something.

TODD: Because you’re on the rack, anything that they can do to resolve it, they’ve got to try to do something and it’s such an easy thing to do, it’s just hard to avoid that, so I don’t think that you’ll have too much problem with that.

KRISTA: Okay.

TODD: So what else do you…have you got anything else that you want to add, to work on with this?

KRISTA: There are people in that community that know something and I just want them…I just want to send a message to them that my Dad needs a voice and right now, it’s me, and people in that community, he considered his friends, and in times of trouble people lean on their friends and I’m asking, for my Dad, for his friends to speak up, however anonymously, they have to.

TODD: And there’s that option with the website, you know with this website, there’s the option. You know I know that somebody might be afraid and I don’t blame them, you know I wouldn’t want to endanger my family, you know you have to think about it.

KRISTA: Just send them a letter through a friend, through a friend, to the local law enforcement, you know. Use somebody else’s phone and call me, my phone number is posted. I’m not looking to penalize people, I just want information that will lead me to him, so that my Mom and my kids have that resolution and that peace in their life, and so that they’re not stuck, and so I’m not stuck.

TODD: Well maybe with some luck and hard work maybe we can help make some changes in this and sometimes it’s worked out really good and sometimes it takes a little longer. It’s like planting seeds, you don’t know how quickly they’re going to sprout, but eventually they do.

KRISTA: That’s right.

TODD: Eventually they do. Well it’s been great having you here, and hopefully we’ll have you back with good updates.

KRISTA: Well I certainly appreciate the opportunity and again I just wanted to thank Nancy Angelbound, she’s been very helpful in connecting me with your program and all of the other resources that you have, I so appreciate it.

TODD: We appreciate her and you. We’ll say goodnight to everybody and you and I will keep chatting for a little while, and we’ll talk to you guys again next week.

KRISTA: All right. Thank you.

TODD: Bye bye.

Vital Statistics

Date Missing: November 16, 2005

Missing From: Crescent, Oregon

Birthdate: November 03, 1957

Hair Color: Gray

Eye Color: Green

Height: 5' 6"

Weight: 145 Lbs.

Identifying Marks: Scar in the shape of a "C" on left side of head.

Tattoos: "Scorpion" on shoulder.