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TODD MATTHEWS (Missing Pieces Host): I’m Todd Matthews. This is Missing Pieces. Tonight, for our Halloween Special, we have Darren Shell, a good friend of mine. Welcome Darren.
DARREN SHELL (Guest): Hi there.
TODD: How have you been?
DARREN: Ah, very good. It’s been a strange week but the weather has been kind of creepy like Halloween.
TODD: Well, it’s getting to that time of the year and I’ve had my eye on you guys for a long time; I knew you were doing this tour and I was waiting for the right time, then I saw the newspaper article coming up and I thought, “This is time.” I actually contacted Darren and I asked him to do this and I don’t think that he thought that he was Missing Pieces material at first. I guess, was that kind of odd? I think you thought that I mostly dealt with something different.
DARREN: Yeah, I think so. I had no idea what you were wanting to accomplish with this but, shoot, it’s been a fun ride, I can tell you that.
TODD: Well, I’ve known Darren for longer than I care to tell now; we’re both knocking on 40, I think, but I’ve known him for a long time. I’ve known his wife for a lot longer even; I’ve known Beth for many, many years, since we were pre-kindergarten. Darren was originally a Yankee and he’s transplanted to the South and I think he fits in really good down here. Now, you’re a historian, really, basically. I think a lot of people…the gravedigger tour…a lot of people are expecting this to be a ‘boo’ kind of ghost thing.
DARREN: A ’spook out,’ so to speak.
TODD: Yeah, and it’s not. You know, there are no skeletons hanging in the trees, there are no props, there’s nothing.
DARREN: There’s nobody with a chainsaw and blood on them.
TODD: Yeah, I’ve had a lot of people ask me, “Should I take my children?” and I say, “You should take your children because all of this stuff is true stuff and there’s nothing fake going on down there.” I know you’ve got a lot of photographs; what are you capturing in the photographs?
DARREN: Basically two things, normally. We catch what, if you watch the History Channel, they tell you about ‘orbs,’ the little moon-looking things in your pictures, and we catch a lot of those. They seem to happen where the history happened and people will try to explain them to me but I can tell you, nobody can really tell me what they are. You can have 5 people taking a picture of the same thing and nobody gets anything, then all of a sudden, one of them gets orbs all over the picture and sometimes it’s just one, and sometimes it’s many, but they are a fascinating occurrence. I don’t know what they are. I’ve had all kinds of people tell me what they think they are but I don’t think anyone has actually nailed that one down. The second thing we capture, which is much more infrequent, we don’t get it as often but we capture these clouds of mist and sometimes, quite frankly, they look like the shape of people, and I know that kind of sounds freaky and I’m not telling you they’re ghosts, I just telling you we have some really interesting photos out there at the park and I’ve been amazed, like everyone else, because I’m no spiritual guide, I’m just a guy walking through the park telling stories and what we captured is quite special, I think.
TODD: But, Darren, do you believe in ghosts?
DARREN: That’s a tough one. I believe in something special out there and I don’t know. I’ve never actually been one of those folks that said, “Yes, I saw someone walk into the room” and, like I told you, I’m not particularly tuned into that sort of thing. I’ve listened more than I’ve talked, believe it or not, even though I’ve talked a lot.
TODD: Yeah, I think you’re learning as you’re doing this tour. To me, I saw you giving a tour and you were giving a tutorial, a historical look back at that area, but you were also listening and learning too, I think.
DARREN: Yeah, every question turns the tour just a little bit. Everybody that’s got questions and, quite frankly, the kids have the greatest questions. Sometimes they’re afraid to talk or speak up in the crowd, but the kids see so much more than we do. They haven’t learned to tune out the world yet, you know.
TODD: Well, I’ve talked to some people that I knew…I sent people down there to take your tour and I got feedback from them and a lot of people said that you were really, really cordial with the children.
DARREN: Aw, I love kids.
TODD: And they really appreciated that, and a lot of people didn’t know…would this be something appropriate for a child, not only for the scariness, but did you want any of them there, and they said that you really took time out to accommodate the kids and really wanted them to be there.
DARREN: Well, as I told you, they’re the ones that see most.
TODD: uh hum
DARREN: I mean, a lot of us adults just are so busy with the world that they don’t even pay attention to a lot of the little things but the kid will just bring up something, “Well what about this?” and then the whole tour just takes a left turn all of a sudden and we open up new doors. It’s wonderful.
TODD: You know, a lot of times, an adult will have a question and maybe they’re ashamed or embarrassed or feel stupid and they don’t want to ask the question.
DARREN: Yeah, I beg them to ask questions, I really do. I say, “Please, does anybody have questions?” And they’re good questions, the people want to learn about this and they want to see why something so odd is happening up here in the park. It’s closed and there’s nothing but darkness up there and, really, that’s pretty much it. We walk it and it’s a blast seeing people’s expressions and it’s just been fun.
TODD: You know most people here have family ties in the area and I do myself, you know, I’ve got some graves there that have been transplanted that are relatives of mine and some of our homeland is underwater now down there. I have a special interest in the area but you do too. Now how? You’re looking at history and you’re not from here.
DARREN: Yes, I have no family here. There’s just…the lake is what I have, I mean, this lake is me.
TODD: uh hum
DARREN: I love this place but I don’t have the ties that you do and that’s so much more interesting to me to know that your family is from here and I’ve taken particular interest especially since I found out that some of your family was from right down here, right where we’re walking.
TODD: You know, I can go to the lake and I see the lake differently, you know we have a lot of the people that come into the lake, it’s a real big history spot, I mean, well tourist location I’ll say, not history, but I see it as different. That’s what divided families up at one time, we…well, I didn’t, but in the ‘40s our relatives lived there in Duncan Bottom and all of those places and then some when north, some went south and it split everybody up, and it’s sort of a sad thing when you go down there…to me anyway. Some of the roads that lead to the lake, I know at one point in time they led into Byrdstown and some of those areas.
DARREN: Yeah, and that fascinated me too. That’s what drew me into all this, just knowing that those foundations are still out there underneath the water, and people have told me that I’ve been blessed with a unique set of eyes. They say, “You can see the water but you know what’s underneath” and that’s what I just love to share with people…people like you that have had ties and it touched them. You can tell. When you talk about family with somebody and where they once lived and the fields that their grandfathers tilled, that’s a warm feeling.
TODD: You know there’s a pull at the lake, especially when I go to Star Point, you know, that at one time that was home, a home place really, where your family are from.
DARREN: Yeah, right down there at Star Point, that’s the main highway that connected it all.
TODD: Now, you’ve heard a lot of ghost stories, I’m sure about that. Now, there’s the Irons case, and it’s not really a ghost story so much as it is a tragedy, I’ll say. Tell me about Jeremy Irons.
DARREN: Edward Irons.
TODD: Edward Irons, I’m sorry.
DARREN: Eddie, Edward was his father; I guess…do you want the whole story? It’s a pretty long story; it branches in many directions.
TODD: Well, they kept digging him up.
DARREN: They certainly did. He was a young, fiery man that was 18 years old and died over 200 years ago, on a horse. His head struck a low-lying limb of a walnut, and his father was forced to bury him. The horse happened to be his birthday gift and, unfortunately, that family watched as that young lad died from the gift that they gave to him. It was a horrible tragedy but they buried him right out underneath our waves in what used to be old Willow Grove and these folks were here long before it was Willow Grove. When Willow Grove started forming, they pushed a little soil away on one particular high knoll to build them a school and they found that casket of young Eddie Irons. So after they dug him up, they said, “What are we going to do with him?” Well they put him right back again and that seemed simple and they said, “Boy, he’ll be there forever now.” Well, a few years later they needed a bigger school, they started pushing dirt and out he came again, and then by now, people in Willow Grove were saying, “Well shoot, we know this story. We know who he is. What are we going to do? We’re going to right back where we got him.” And that’s what they did. And they did that 3 times. They built this…finally, the last great big school that was there, the biggest one in the area at the time, with lots of concrete, lots of bricks. Instead of just burying him under the school, this time we’ll put him in the concrete, let’s poured right in the steps and he’ll be a monument to the old Willow Grove and the old settlers. It was a pretty touching thing for them to do, and they said, “Well this time he’ll be there forever!” Forever? Of course, a corps of engineers came along not long after that and started digging up graves and demolishing buildings, and he was both, so they blasted away at him several times to try and get him out of there, but that junk of concrete is still there. Our friend, Eddie, is still out there beneath the water.
TODD: And that’s such a crazy…he’s under water and it’s just like the entire lake is a monument.
DARREN: It really is. And certainly that foundation, because right now the water is low, I mean particularly low, but even most years you can see that foundation. You can stand on that, whatever you want to call it monument/tomb, whatever you would like to call it and, right now, it’s only knee-deep and you can go out there and see that they’ve dynamited the heck out of that rock, but that fella’s still there.
TODD: Our lake is really low right now; you can practically walk across it in so many areas.
DARREN: That’s a fact and we’re hoping that this rain brings us gallons and gallons of water because it’s pretty bad…in all the lakes, everybody knows we have some drought going on but you really notice it when you are used to going to a lake and you’re used to seeing it full and it’s 20 some feet down, you know that’s scary.
TODD: But from a historical standpoint, when this water goes down, we’re actually getting to reclaim some of that area.
DARREN: Yeah, you get to go out there and walk where Grandma walked, and see some of the foundations of where people lived. Those foundations are cool, I mean, you can walk out on them and just feel the energy there. It’s wonderful.
TODD: Now there’s one area where you can actually see the outline of the graves under the water, now why is that?
DARREN: Well, it happens to be…that particular spot is known as the McCluskey Cemetery and they moved 68, I think, people from there and it happens to be right, just beneath the full pool service whereas when the water goes down it washes away a little and when the water comes up it washes a little every year. And those graves were documented to be moved but a lot of them have been there so long that there was, quite frankly, nothing left to dig when they got ready to dig so they a few shovels here and a few shovels there and what they didn’t realize was that that red clay had taken shape, it went right around that old Dracula-shaped casket and had made a cast-mold of it and so a few shovelfuls came out of the middle and it went up the road to St John’s Cemetery. So it’s documented as moved but it’s sort of was moved and sort of not. And what happened over the years as it washed away a little and washed away a little and all of a sudden that red clay was starting to go away and then we have these casket shapes in the clay and most of those are starting to wash away even now. They’ve been out of the water for a little while but I don’t suspect that they’ll be there much longer, but it’s been a special place for me because that place more energy than any place on the lake that I’ve been to. You just get there and it’s just awesome. People have been there and they’ve put up their own little fake headstones because they feel so strongly that something special is there. And it is; it’s just washing away, I’m afraid.
TODD: Now you see where our work crosses over quite a bit.
DARREN: Yeah. Yeah.
TODD: It really does because I try to take a look because I’ve had to dig graves before. I’ve had to remove people from graves before or be there for when it was actually being done for a very different reason that this, so it’s actually, to me, there’s fascination in it so to see what you’re looking at with this, it’s so interesting to me. And this is a chance to do a show with somebody where there’s not such intensity…you know there’s a lot of sadness with the lake, but there’s a lot of joy there too now. So, usually when I’m doing a show with somebody, it’s all bad…it’s all bad news.
DARREN: I can see that and I applaud you for being able to handle that, that’s…and what you’ve done, it’s amazing.
TODD: It’s…it can be difficult, so I’m looking forward to doing things like this with you. Actually, the build-up for this show, is more than what this little talk that we’re having here now…I’m just trying to give a little background, but I want a lot of people to go down and enjoy that tour and take a look at their own history and I’ve had a lot of people tell me, “I’ve learned something from that that I didn’t know.”
DARREN: Awesome.
TODD: So now you’ve written…how many books have you written?
DARREN: Oh, I don’t even know, 4 or 5, off the top of my head, plus some little ones here and there, so it’s been a good run for me. I never dreamed that I would write a book. It started with a simple little story that I told my daughter as a bedtime story, and I wrote it down, crudely, and people started reading it and liking it and, all of a sudden, I wrote another and another and pretty soon I’ve got numerous books out there and the world have welcomed them, very much so, and they’ve really been kind with the stories that I’ve written and given me high praise, which I’m not sure I’m worthy of, but I’m certainly enjoying it.
TODD: Well, you know, you’ve had an opportunity because these books are being accepted and being brought in as part of history of Overton, Pickett and Clay Counties.
DARREN: You betcha. And even a couple of the Kentucky counties as well, they’re witnessing it also. The lake houses a couple counties up there also.
TODD: So now, I’ve got a couple of your books, and you’ve had a unique…because Darren’s family owns Willow Grove Boat Dock, and I think you’ve had a unique opportunity to meet some of the people that would be the people that would buy some of these books.
DARREN: Oh yeah, I have the perfect opportunity to sell them and place them where people that are coming here and want to know and want to pick these books up and learn. They’re here. They’re already here. I have my audience is right in front of me so I don’t have to go out and search for them.
TODD: And the lake is the sales pitch and you’ve got it right there. You’ve got everything right there. You know when somebody spends a day on Dale Hollow Lake and they see a book like this, there’s fascination about that lake. I don’t know what it is, I’ve been on several lakes but there’s nothing like home and being down on Dale Hollow Lake.
DARREN: I’m a little opinionated about it. I think it’s the best there is. I’m sure everyone thinks that about their lake but we were the first Corps lake, of course, and there were several other beautiful lakes made there after us, but we were the first one they made in our area and I think they done it right.
TODD: Now, my grandfather that’s one of the gravediggers from moving the cemeteries, some to St John, and I think it bothered him and he actually mentioned sometimes that there was nothing to get but a shovelful and a headstone, and I think it bothered him. I think they put them in some little boxes; he mentioned some boxes. Can you tell us a little bit about those?
DARREN: Yeah, whenever there was a situation where a grave had been there for 50-100 years, it was particularly damp soil, there was really so very little to dig, and in the 1930s and 1940s when this was being done, nobody had a lawnmower, so all these cemeteries were really just briar patches, and even if you were the most heartfelt gravedigger in the world and you wanted to do your job right, it was still extremely difficult. They finally just asked the Corps, “What are we going to do? We can’t dig a grave. We might spend 3 days digging holes here and not find the grave that’s beneath this rock, it’s been slid around for years, you know?” And the Corps said, “Well, we’ve got these little wooden boxes. They’re about a foot square and a little bit shallower than a foot and you dig down through” and they said, “and once you find it, you just sift through and find what you can find, you know, teeth, bones, jewelry, whatever you can find, and put it in the box.” But in most cases, there was so little left to dig and they’d have been 10 years digging graves if they had done it any more tedious than they already did.
TODD: So really, the moving of a lot of the graves was basically symbolic?
DARREN: Yeah. Yeah, that’s well put, too, to say it that way because they wanted to do it right but it was just one those things that you just can’t do. You’ve got a briar patch full of headstones that have fallen over and have been knocked over, no matter how bad you want to do the job, there’s still of some of the McCluskey’s and the Taylor’s and the many other hundreds of names that have graced these shores.
TODD: But they had to go through some motion to try to do something for those people.
DARREN: Oh yes.
TODD: I think it’s just neat that they’re…that the lake itself has become such a memorial.
DARREN: It really has. I can’t tell you how it’s touched so many people because a lot of people will come into my marina, and most of them know me, that’s part of it, they like to read what I’ve done and they know me and they know I’m accessible. If you know Dale Hollow, you’ve been around enough to see me, and they’ll come in and say, “We had no idea this stuff was there. I mean we didn’t know the cemetery was there. We didn’t know about the others that are out on the lake. We didn’t know about the foundations that are there, and it’s just given us a whole other lake to go play on.” Some people have been coming here for 30, 40 years and come in to say, “Thank you. I’ve been coming here for 40 years and now I have something new to look for. It’s amazing. It’s fantastic.” And I just love it.
TODD: You do a lot of diving, right?
DARREN: I don’t do a lot of scuba diving, but a lot of snorkeling and what have you, I’ve done some of that but most of that really deep stuff out there, that’s not for me. I know where it is and I can point to it but I don’t necessarily need to go there. It’s dark and cold down there, man.
TODD: Oh I know, yeah, and I hear a lot of big fish stories. How big are they?
DARREN: There are catfish in here that are over 100 pounds, no doubt. I don’t know if they can eat us necessarily, but they can certainly frighten us to death, if nothing else.
TODD: Wow. Now, how long have you been doing this tour exactly?
DARREN: I started last fall. We had been to some other cities, my family had, and taken some of the ghost tours down in Savannah and that area, Savannah, Georgia, and of course, that’s one of the capitals of the ghost tours, and as soon as I did it, I thought, “Man,” something clicked, you know, “I need to be checking this stuff out” because I listened to those tour guides and learned how it was done and what to look for and where to go, and I said, “I’m going to try this up in my own park.” I know what was here and, I mean, you write what you know and you do what you know, and I went up there and I was just absolutely amazed by just taking what I had learned and applying it and it worked. It worked.
TODD: Sometimes the craziest thing works and it’s the same way that this show came about. I didn’t think that I could do it and then it was working. The rawer the better, I mean, the British love it; I’ve got a lot of people from the UK that like to listen to it and it’s just like, the rougher…that we can do, rough and raw. We can do that really good. But I thought your tour reminded me so much…and I took the ghost tour before with Patti Starr, she was our Halloween guest last year, and your tour reminds me of a cross between hers, because hers is a lot more into the ghosts, and you’ll probably think this is strange but…Mammoth Cave.
DARREN: Yeah
TODD: The tour guide at Mammoth Cave, you know, they were talking about…there were some people that got lost in there, and it’s a mix between those two things.
DARREN: Yeah, you try to tell the history and you can sneak in a history lesson, if you do it right, and that way when people leave, they’ve experienced the neat stuff and they’ve learned a little.
TODD: Well, have you even had anybody that was really expecting more of a ‘boo’?
DARREN: Yeah, I have. You get some that are looking to…when you tell them that it’s not going to be a spook out, some of the kids go, “Oh, man,” and, ironically, about 10 minute in, you can see they’re equally interested. I have not sent anybody away that told me that they didn’t like it. You know a lot of them have been disappointed it wasn’t going to be that when they get here…
TODD: Yeah.
DARREN: …and yet when they’re just drawn in, its fun.
TODD: I’ve had a lot of people that were surprised that it wasn’t what they thought it was but then they weren’t disappointed.
DARREN: Yeah, and I think that, I guess the best way to put it is, I mean they weren’t disappointed but it was different, mostly because it is different. I mean, you don’t get this type of tour anywhere that I know of, other than Savannah and St Augustine does the same thing, and New Orleans. If you’ve been to some of those, this is similar, and yet it’s Dale Hollow, so it’s a little different.
TODD: Now where are you planning on going with this?
DARREN: I have no idea.
TODD: You’re just going to…
DARREN: It dictates to me where it’s going.
TODD: Oh, I know that feeling. I know that feeling.
DARREN: Yeah, and I believe you have exactly done the same thing. You never quite know what will explode and become something and it impresses me because I don’t know as much about what you’ve done as you know about what I’ve done and…
TODD: I have to do my homework. I do my homework when I work on these things, but you know, I’ve watched how some of your things have evolved and I’ve talked to a lot of people about it and I see you’re doing a very freestyle thing, you kind of letting the chips fall and when I decided that I wanted to work on this particular episode with you, I let it kind of tell me where it needed to go and I knew it was going to work.
DARREN: I’ll give you credit there because when you contacted me, I thought, “Man, I don’t think I’m going to fit into this.” I don’t want to disappoint people and people have just come out of the woodwork, mostly your folks that are kind of happy to do something a little less heart wrenching, you know. This is a little more entertaining; it’s kind of a break, I guess is what I’m saying.
TODD: Yeah, on the holidays I like to do that because we’re still kind of on the subject matters. There was a lot of heartbreak, there was a lot of tragedy at Dale Hollow at one time, there’s a lot of mysteries there still that we’ll probably never unravel, and I think you’ve come closer to helping unravel a lot of them than anybody, or you are at least bringing them to light. You know there’s the urban legend about some these graves; I’ve heard crazy things, different stories, but I think with some of your books, you’ve helped to bring in the reality and people say, “Oh, that’s the real story,” so I think you’ve done great work in helping establish some of this history for all of these counties involved in this. Not a lot of people do that.
DARREN: Well, I can tell you, when you look those folks in the eye that used to live here and they say, “Thank you so much for reviving that. We thought that it was just going to die away and now we know that it’s going to be there for a while.” Those folks, they tell me every time, if you’ve ever met anybody that moved away from old Lily Dale or Willow Grove or some of the other places, they’ll tell you straight up, “Just pull the cork and we’re coming back” or “I’ve had to live elsewhere for 65 years, but if you can drain this lake, we’re coming back.” That’s pretty special.
TODD: Of course, we come from the generation that this lake was always here and we love the lake and we never want it to be gone. You know, it’s the lake, but it’s to me, what lies beneath, and we know what lies beneath and I think you’ve made sure everybody knows what lies beneath. We love the lake but there’s also a very special story with what lies beneath that lake.
DARREN: I don’t want that to be forgotten, but I also want everybody to know too that this is one of the greatest bodies of water in the world. There’s history here but also there’s a wonderful lake so it’s a combination of things that it’s magical for me.
TODD: Now, Livingston and Overton County, now you’ve got tour, I think, that you’re working on for Livingston, right?
DARREN: I hope to, if all goes well. We’ve had some minor glitches that we trying to work out but I would love to do one, hopefully, probably at the end of next month, starting it, and if all goes well, we’re going to do that because, amazingly, I was telling you earlier how I had put to work what I had learned going elsewhere and taking tours and after doing this one at Willow Grove and taking people and kind of learning in the park, I went to Lily Dale and did the same thing; I studied my history, walked through with cameras and worked exactly the same way and I thought, “Wow, here we go. I’m starting to get the hang of this.” I went into Livingston and studied more history there. I have some friends there that are just wonderful history buffs there in town and they gave me some insights and I walked around with my camera and wrote up the story and it just worked. It just worked. So I’m hoping to share that with folks but I don’t know if it will happen, that’s my goal and I’m going to try.
TODD: Well, I envy you because I know you’re having a great time.
DARREN: Oh, it’s wonderful.
TODD: And I’m having a great time doing this show but I know you’re having a ball doing this; I can tell.
DARREN: I’m a very fortunate individual. I work hard, play hard and this is work for me. I’m very fortunate…blessed.
TODD: Now, your wife?
DARREN: Yes.
TODD: How does she like this? Now, she’s seemed…the other night we took the tour, she was right there and she took photographs and she was in and around but I have a feeling that she’s probably not always so happy with things.
DARREN: Oh yeah, I keep her quite busy taking pictures and a lot of times she’d just as soon be at the fair, you know, because she runs all the time like the rest of the world, but she’s supported me definitely with the pictures. She’s my main photographer and just does wonderful and she supports everything I do but she gets a little tired of the tours, “Another tour tonight?”
TODD: Oh yeah, the eye-rolling, I get that; you know when, “You’re going to do this again tonight? When are you going to stop?”
DARREN: When I stop having fun, I reckon. Well that’s what I tell her.
TODD: I don’t know if there is a stopping point for something like this, I mean, where do you draw the line with it, you know?
DARREN: You’re right.
TODD: And it just keeps growing and growing. And, my wife, she says, “Everything’s, instead of getting to a point where you’re leveling out, it seems like things…you’re getting more things to do and you’re gone more.” So it definitely impacts your family life.
DARREN: Oh, certainly but I don’t want the rollercoaster to come to a screeching halt either, so it’s a nice balance and we’ll make everybody happy in the end.
TODD: Eventually, right?
DARREN: Yeah.
TODD: Well, it’s been great having you here tonight. I’ve looked forward to this for a long time but I think we had more fun when we were doing the rest of it but I wanted to get this conversation with you so people could know who you are and why you’re doing this. We hear about the ‘gravedigger’ but not a lot about Darren, until tonight. So, I really wanted the opportunity to talk to Darren.
DARREN: Well, we’re pretty much one and the same.
TODD: Yeah, I think so.
DARREN: I certainly appreciate you taking the time because I’ve learned a lot from you. This has been a fun ride.
TODD: Well, this is only the beginning. I have a feeling we’re going to have to cross paths with this again because there so many historical things that you do, and I’m definitely going to tap your resources again because I know that you’ve got some more things that are interesting there that I can talk to you about and, hopefully, work on with you in the future. And for everybody’s reference, Darren is older than me. I just want to make sure they know that Darren is older than me.
DARREN: By a handful of days probably.
TODD: At least a year.
DARREN: Which is still quite young and vibrant, wouldn’t you say?
TODD: Yeah, we’re really young, we’re not 40 yet. We’re working on it but we’re not 40 yet, but I hope that all of our friends and neighbors can hear this and hear a little more detail as to why you do what you do. It’s quite simply that you’re crazy and…
DARREN: That’s it.
TODD: …you do what you gotta do, don’t you?
DARREN: No brains what-so-ever, just fly by the seat of your pants.
TODD: Well, you’re definitely going to make an enjoyable Halloween and I want everybody who listens to our show regularly, take a good opportunity to have a break, have fun, let all these problems off your mind for one night, and just try to enjoy something that is nice. I think you’ve helped provide that for us.
DARREN: Well, I appreciate you helping me do it.
TODD: Well, we’ll say goodnight to our audience and then you and I can talk a little longer and I’ll be back again next week. Goodbye everybody.
DARREN: Goodnight, y’all.
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